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Would love to know if those with later genie + return times are still able to book 120 min after they booked the later time. Also if you booked at 7am could you book another one at 9am?

57 min ago by Mickeydeee

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Assuming that what I see is truly available, I see BTMR for 1:30. Pull to refresh and got 12:30. I do not have anything selected on the genie and no dining so I don't have conflict with other things. I can check park/attraction if someone would like.

< 1 min ago by youcanfly

So if you booked one at 7, you could not book again until 2 hours after park opens, or when you tap in for your first LL, whichever is first?

< 1 min ago by HibiscusHuny

Free for about 30minutes while I enjoy my coffee.

< 1 min ago by youcanfly

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So, My very first thought on playing with Genie+ for today: Rght off the bat: the estimated wait time bar chart on each ride is absolute garbage. It shows you the "wait' each hour, but THERE'S NO SCALE.

7:26am by JJT

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So, Peter Pan appears to glide up and stay at some reasonable wait MAYBE I DUNNO there are no numbers, but then I go look at IASW and in comparison it looks like double PP waits mid day. Charts are almost completely useless.

7:26am by JJT

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LQUumnc12MdTozu2A

7:27am by JJT

Ha! That graph made me laugh!

7:30am by PrincipalTinker

That's insane! Have we learned nothing from the hundreds of Covid charts we've had to look at for a year and a half!! Scale is imperitive people!

7:46am by melcort10

Insert face palm emoji here...

7:52am by jperry2013

Cmon guys give them a break. They've only had over a year to user test the thing....;)

8:02am by Totsypooh

That's hilarious!

8:02am by Enchantedbythemouse

That's on purpose. They know their data is wrong and don't want to get sued lying to people on wait times.

8:13am by VikeQueen

Yikes!

8:19am by lisagarcia01

@vike, but they've been "collecting [wrong/inflated] data"for decades!

8:21am by irenek

This graph is not for us! It's for your casual visitor to be surprised, "huh, the line will be shorter at 9am than at 1pm!"

8:34am by BurkeToolandSupplyCo

So, assuming they don't want to lock themselves into defining a scale in minutes & be held accountable for it, then the only possible point for that chart is to tell me when to ride this attraction in a world where no other attractions exist.

8:35am by JJT

Call me crazy, but I want to know both when the best time to ride a particular attraction is during a given day but in comparison to the bigger picture of all my other options. I wonder if there's an app for that? ;)

8:36am by JJT

I'm really tempted to use that in my AP Stats class. It is a perfect example for bias In data representations. If students are asked to draw a graph and present that, no points awarded.

8:38am by JuniperMB

I was just looking at TP on IG and they were showing this too! This is why it's a big no for us with the genie!

8:47am by youcanfly

Let's be honest, only liners would think to look at the scale anyway. Google maps have been doing the same thing for years with their popularity charts

8:49am by aw44

Take a look at AS2! It hits the top of the graph at 10am. So misleading...

8:52am by KBelle

I agree Liners will look at things with a more critical eye, but I think that makes those charts more egregious: a "normal" person will think "Boy! I'll wait at Peter Pan since IASW is twice the wait!" Guess that could help Liners in a 2nd-hand fashion.

9:24am by JJT

Of course they will, which is exactly how Disney will use the dataless data to direct crowds in a non-committal manner.

9:26am by aw44

Ok how do I see this graph?

9:27am by srb0065

Click on an attraction in MDE

9:32am by aw44

I suspect that the bars are based on what a "longest possible line" looks like like each attraction, hence why FoP is lower than ITTBAB! But someone needs to get with it, low bars on FoP isn't going to encourage people to buy LL.... unless you get...

9:34am by aw44

BTW, at 8:44AM before I booked any LL attractions, my top 3 recommendations from Genie were BTMRR, PP, SM. Problem: BTMRR Standby Line box said "Not Currently Available" but I could book a LL GeniePlus for 9:50AM. It listed PP as 25 min, SM 20 min.

9:34am by JJT

At 8:48AM after I booked a SM that started at 10:15AM, my top three recommendations were Aladdin, Swiss Family Treehouse, then HM.

9:35am by JJT

I have a Buzz pass booked and riding that out until it expires at 10:05 to see what rebooking next one looks like.

9:35am by JJT

Attracted to the rise by the low bars, see the longer than expected wait time and then think "ah well, may as well pay whilst we're here". Could be either very dumb or very clever analytics, as ever with Disney, who knows!!

9:35am by aw44

@JJT, it recommended Treehouse early in the am? Ooof.

9:38am by popupcamper

I told you it would recommend the treehouse...

9:42am by Totsypooh

Seriously....

9:50am by youcanfly

Don't knock the tree house! LOL just don't go early. This thread is great! Thanks for the Intel!!! I'll be following along ALL day!

9:55am by Mickeydeee

In reality, I like the Treehouse as a nostalgic thing. But the only time that Genie should be sending someone to the Treehouse is when there are lions afoot and one needs to seek higher ground.

9:58am by JJT

Or a flash flood

10:00am by Olafsdad

Other note: When I was surfing around before 9AM, one of the tips was for me to mobile order food right then at Pinocchio Haus to pick it up between 12:15 and 12:45.

10:01am by JJT

@Olaf For a flash flood, my go to is Peter Pan - those flying ships come in handy.

10:05am by JJT

@jjt- thanks for this diversion. Very meaningful research right here

10:07am by jenc45

So, my Buzz pass time ended at 10:05 but still is sitting in My Plans. I left it there and booked a HM pass for 11:30 (just took what it offered.) My Plans now has both Buzz & HM sitting in them. Wonder if the grace period would still work for Buzz?

10:11am by JJT

Going to be hard for me to test, since I am on Long Island.

10:15am by JJT

Cancelled the HM pass, booked the next quickest pass: Little Mermaid for 10:15AM. Went back into My Day and Buzz is gone. Buzz, we hardly knew ye. When LM expires, I'll let it ride and see how long it lasts if I don't rebook another pass.

10:16am by JJT

Now Genie is telling me to mobile order Columbia Harbor House now so I can pick it up between 5:50 and 6:20 PM. https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZNf3WZ1dAZNHpvDy5

10:23am by JJT

Did you create a base Genie Plan with rides that you are interested? I'm wondering if it is going to send you to HM, BTMRR around dinner time. Maybe the recommendations are based on where it thinks you'll be in the park at a given time

10:30am by Jenboston

I chose selections and things I am interested in when it asked on first boot. I chose BTMRR, Space, PP. They ask you to pick up to TEN things you are interested in. (Generic things like Characters, Parades, Eating.) Picking 10 pretty much covers...

10:32am by JJT

..everything they offer, so not sure how that streamlines their suggestions for you. MDE: "What do you like?" Me: "EVERYTHING" MDE: "OK ORDER PINOCCHIO FOOD THEN COLUMBIA HARBOR HOUSE AND GO SIT IN A TREE."

10:33am by JJT

lol maybe you're considered 'easy to please, keeps coming back to WDW' and they're saving the good stuff for the high strung/demanding guests!

10:34am by Jenboston

Lol. I'm enjoying this JJT

10:35am by MarioMom

Haha @JJT, you know you're a Disney nerd when not only do you spend your time pretending you are at Disney, but you paid $15.95 to do it.

10:36am by popupcamper

Ha! Full disclosure: I got today's Genie plus for free from D23 fan club offer, but I probably would have paid at some point to mess around. :D

10:39am by JJT

thanks for all of the Intel! I'm wondering if you have hoppers if you can book a regular LL ride in a different park than which you have an APR for later in the afternoon. Eg, if I have an APR at Epcot, could I book a LL for SDD for later in the day.

10:42am by imadisneymom

Do you need a park reservation or current ticket to play around with this?

10:43am by the.darlings

I saw that works for ILL rides but not sure about regular LL.

10:43am by imadisneymom

@darlings Need both. I have an AP voucher sitting on my account, which lets me book the APR to play.

10:48am by JJT

@imadisneymom Good question! After I let my LM pass expire and see how long it takes to go away, I'll give booking in another park later a try!

10:49am by JJT

This is fun. :-)

10:56am by TumbleMonkeys

Thank you JJT! Thinking this could be a good strategy on our Epcot days as my youngest loves SDD.

10:57am by imadisneymom

Need to read

11:01am by Bubbakirby

This is cracking me up. The treehouse. Oh good grief.

11:03am by Jennyhirsch

Watch out for the new Genie lenses in the app. https://photos.app.goo.gl/7DgJvLXCsV5Y6caYA

11:05am by JJT

That's a good feeling @JJT. Have fun today!

11:07am by the.darlings

This thread is awesome, I can't look away. Thanks for all the experiments @JJT

11:11am by irenek

To be fair we love the treehouse. My kids even watched Swiss family Robinson to get a better appreciation for it. I loved that movie as a kid.

11:12am by Totsypooh

Thanks JJT. This is good Intel

58 min ago by bowling_gma

Anyone else notice Via Napoli is not listed under dining in EP in Genie? At least not for my date in March. Oh Disney, I don't even know what to say at this point...

49 min ago by njhyndman

I love this, but in a bad sorta train wreck way. Am I a bad person?

43 min ago by valerie96

OK, my LM pass went to 11:15. I checked the app at 11:19 and pass was still there, checked again 11:28 it is gone. So, wonder if the old post-pass grace time may be tighter now unless the CM can still see it on their end after it is off of the app(?)

42 min ago by JJT

Thanks @JJT, I was wondering about the grace period.

41 min ago by TumbleMonkeys

Since you're testing scenarios, please see if you can book a ride a second time. I've read you can't, but hoping that's wrong. TIA

41 min ago by daw623

@daw623 Good idea! I just went back and scrolled to LM: it has a green check marked "Booked!" When I try to get it again it says I am not eligible.

36 min ago by JJT

It is important to note, methinks: I booked them but DIDN'T USE THEM, yet I still cannot rebook.

35 min ago by JJT

@JJT- this is both hilarious and fascinating. Thank you! It seems like the passes might have a ten min grace period, if that's when your first two disappeared. So, given what you're seeing, how many passes are you actually able to book in a given day?

29 min ago by JERancher

@imadisneymom OK - I switched parks to EP and could book book paid LL or regular GeniePlus passes. FWIW: SDD itself was unavailable for purchase, said "Not Currently Offered". guessing they are all distributed? Not sure.

28 min ago by JJT

Also, I saw that you're on Long Island! From my experience on Long Island, it makes the recommendation that you try Pinocchio even funnier.

28 min ago by JERancher

Something else I plan to try later if possible: when scrolling through EP, I saw an immediate pass for Figment was bookable (shocker!) even though it says the ride is closed. I booked it - but because I have an APR for MK, app told me it was giving me...

26 min ago by JJT

..a random time after 2PM. If I see that happen again later with a down ride, I'll try again and try to see what happens when your window ends with the ride down.

25 min ago by JJT

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21 min ago by LaurenInWonderland

This all so fascinating.

17 min ago by PeaceBeTheJourney

FWIW I have heard that word on the ground is that CMs are saying there is NO grace period. Whether them saying that is accurate or not, remains to be seen. Seems pretty draconian for the release day of a new system.

8 min ago by JJT

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Thanks very much @JJT! Yup, it looks like SDD were the first to sell out.

4 min ago by imadisneymom

At least for now.

3 min ago by imadisneymom

Re the no grace period, I wonder if that will also apply now if you miss your BG window for Remy.

1 min ago by imadisneymom

My daughters really want to see all the princess. We are at CRC and we just saw Cinderella but my little princess is all things Ariel and mermaids. Where can we see where all the princesses walk through? Help.

10 min ago by Bkeveridge@me.com

If they are performing on the Main st train station they will all desend on a ramp to the right. If your timing and position is correct they will "promenade" right past you. Lost of blown kisses!

2 min ago by brerbeer

Is anyone else having trouble withe the 50th Celebration Sweepstakes page? The first time I tried it I was able to enter but every time since then I get nowhere! https://50thcelebrationsweepstakes.com/?CMP=ILC-DPFY22Q1wo1007210023A

8:23am by cunningham5

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Same - different device sometimes helps

9:51am by Tornadosoup

Use a private window for entry next day.

10:09am by MarioMom

I have had to enter from a private browser every day.

2 min ago by PrincipalTinker

When can you start planning your day? I got my first day done in November but now it won't go back to it or let me do any other days. My trip is November 8th to 17th

10:17am by racrus59

In Touring Plans? All you need to do is create a new plan for a new day. (And if you've saved it, you should be able to get back to it; on the app, plans will be in the bottom left, and on the computer, they're on the bottom right of the home page.

9 min ago by JERancher

In the app, when you scroll down you see "my plans" and you select create a plan. Website is slightly different.

7 min ago by youcanfly

Also you can create a plan from your trip. Similar in app, tap the trip name and it opens your dates for you.

5 min ago by youcanfly

DAS question - updated the app this morning. Where is the section/screen for booking DAS return times through the app? My son's DAS renewal was already approved at GS on 10/16 but I don't see any booking options on the app

7:26am by JoeyPotter98

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I think you need to have entered the park first.

9:25am by popupcamper

Keep us updated once you figure it out

9:28am by srb0065

Following to see where to find this!

6 min ago by JERancher

I may have missed this but can I buy Genie plus for my trip in December or do I have to wait to buy it when I am there?

9:17am by JennS1024

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You can buy for your whole trip ahead or day by day during your trip.

9:23am by Eemoore79

Thank you! I tried to buy online but it wanted me to buy park tickets again. I guess I have to call. Need to find two hours to sit and wait.

9:29am by JennS1024

I have a package and there's no option for me to add it in advance. I'm not going till July though, maybe it will appear at some point? I don't want it for all days so I won't be buying in advance, I was just researching.

9:33am by missoverexcited

I believe you will need to modify the ticket option to include genie plus if you want it the whole trip.

9:34am by pcessas

Thank you. I will try that

9:45am by JennS1024

I was told I have to call and add it to my package and I can't do it for the whole trip on the app. I can wait and do it day by day but that seems dumb

9:47am by srb0065

I just did it online for my upcoming trip by clicking on "change reservation," then modifying the ticket portion by selecting the one with Genie+. Had to go through check out and pay the difference from what I had already paid.

10:07am by wdwsaver

I don't have 'change reservation' either. Maybe UK packages are just different and we can't do anything to them online. I've never tried before.

10:14am by missoverexcited

I'm optimistically going they'll add it into the U.K. tickets... but they do seem to have forgotten to update web access for us- like my issues in trying to book savis online- link just doesn't exist

44 min ago by hodgtrzm

Going? Hoping

44 min ago by hodgtrzm

I doubt they would add it in to tickets I've already bought. I would honestly be beyond shocked if they added it for free at all, unless that was the 'offer'.

40 min ago by missoverexcited

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Yes was easy. In app tapped on "take your day to next level/add G+" which took me out to WDW website. Was able to modify existing reservation park tics and upgrade to G+. Just paid the price gap to add G+.

15 min ago by Go Irish

It was easy to add to 3 different types of tickets this morning. 6 day, 3 day and 2 day tix went through on one transaction. had to go back and do the one day ticket separately for some reason. surprised that it worked!!!

7 min ago by mary_e

I couldn't find on website but easy on app.

7 min ago by mary_e

Here we go! Downloading the Genie update to MDE. Love the new 50th logo on the app button.

7:05am by SquishyGishy

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Seems to be going well on TP Twitter account. Have fun!

7:09am by MeetMeAtThePoly

Beautiful logo!

7:11am by disneydreams4

Weirdly, the button to get to buy Genie+ was small. Shocking. Booked Peter Pan. When viewing ride reservations, it said the next PP was 10:40. When I booked it, it said the res is for 9:25. Huh.

7:23am by SquishyGishy

The update was slow to load. Took about 14 min for me.

7:25am by SquishyGishy

I'm staying in Pop and reserved a ride in Genie+ without problem.

7:26am by SquishyGishy

I can no longer find the "My Plans" portion on the app. I liked having it all right there with reservations, both park and dining, etc. Did they move it somewhere else?

7:31am by FixItFelixFriend

I read that if you click on the magnifying glass LR and type in my plans they come up.

8:06am by NaviMommy

Thanks @navi. I just saw @irene post that in a separate chat, and it works perfectly.

8:09am by FixItFelixFriend

Glad it worked! I think we both "stole" from FB! It's a common question there this morning too!

8:29am by NaviMommy

Just entered PP. No problem scanning into LL. Booked IASW next as it's available in a few minutes.

9:49am by SquishyGishy

Go @Squishy Go! Thanks for taking one for the team with IASW ;)

9:51am by cdlla

Boarding IASW now. LL went smoothly. Booked Splash for 10:35. Going to standby (20 min Disney prediction) on HM on way to SM.

9:59am by SquishyGishy

This is fun to follow. Like in the old days. Go go go!

10:07am by MrsNesbitt05

Thanks for taking time out on your trip to post all this. Really great info and fun to follow along.

10:22am by georgejr1966

I'm following along too!

10:25am by popupcamper

Following along too to get the scoop. Thank you for reports!

10:29am by 4wvufans

Thanks for sharing!

10:52am by mmmartin

Following

10:54am by Jedilogray

Skipped standby on HM since it went up to 40. Did SM in LL no problems, very short line. Good ride, not very wet. Got next res for BTMRR at 12:10.

11:09am by SquishyGishy

Whoops, next res for HM not BTMRR.

11:10am by SquishyGishy

Getting two Mickey pretzels and boating to Tom Sawyer island to eat them. Then on BTMRR with an ECV/scooter return time of 11:45.

48 min ago by SquishyGishy

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Nice going! Keep us posted. I would love to hear a final tally of rides and Genie+ passes used by the end of the day, if you're willing to keep track!

24 min ago by JERancher

Following!

17 min ago by cyko21

I really appreciate this! Super helpful.

7 min ago by doll7800@yahoo.com

Our take on the PC vs Mac ad from the early 2000's https://youtu.be/ydAYB_zZ60o

30 min ago by SteveBloom (staff)

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Ha!

11 min ago by PeaceBeTheJourney

That is awesome:D

9 min ago by PiratePixie

Funny!

8 min ago by hookedsince72

Watch TP recap on YouTube this afternoon at 4 Eadtern. (or on replay.) https://twitter.com/touringplans/status/1450433384698757120?s=21

9:37am by MeetMeAtThePoly

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Crap can't watch at 4, well yes i can if my DD gets her hair cut first and i do mine second.Priorities! HA!

40 min ago by koolaid

Thanks for posting this!

37 min ago by jkcna

I'll be curious to see what they say.

8 min ago by BellesRose2K

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