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Ok, fellow liners, 1st UO trip. 6 adults and two teens. booked Dockside. 2 two bedroom suites. have 7 day park to park tix. Where to begin? 15 yo grandson is crazy for Marvel. 13 yo granddaughter unhappy it's not WDW. Lol I hope she'll love it.

4:24pm on 4/30/26 by winnie79

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Is DGD into Harry Potter? That'd be a way to win her over. Or HTTYD? You've got a nice amount of time so it's pick a park I guess. Maybe look at the pre-made touring plans as a starting point?

6:03pm on 4/30/26 by hodg

I'm going to have to study all the acronyms for attractions. Lol

8:36pm on 4/30/26 by winnie79

"Where to begin" indeed... because you are all going to have so much fun!!! 13yo granddaughter will love UO I think! I mean if she's really into Disney it'll be a hard sell but there's definitely so much fun to be had at UO!

2:36pm on 5/1/26 by browndalmatian

Oh we can help with acronyms... @hodg mentioned "DGD" (dear/disney granddaughter) and "HTTYD" (How to Train Your Dragon)... :)

2:37pm on 5/1/26 by browndalmatian

Tell us more about the DGD and what she likes. DGS is going to enjoy the heck out of Islands of Adventure! :) FYI I have a 12yo (son) and he prefers UO over WDW by far. Of course all my kids do...

2:39pm on 5/1/26 by browndalmatian

...but I have one girl who is older (17), but she's preferred UO to WDW for at least the last several years too. Probably since she was 13 tbh, and maybe sooner.

2:39pm on 5/1/26 by browndalmatian

So all that to say I think your granddaughter stands a good chance of really having fun! Of course you all do. It'll be a great trip. Let us know how we can help!

2:40pm on 5/1/26 by browndalmatian

The interactive wand activities might be fun for your 13 yo GD. My DD isn't into marvel or Harry Potter but still loved the rides and wand "scavenger hunt" at IOA and USF. Volcano bay is also fun for teens. Haven't been to epic yet.

9:17am on 5/2/26 by WildernessPixie

All my kids like Uni over Disney since they were 7 or 8. But if she has a sentimental attachment to Disney it might be harder. Rides at Uni are way better for her age than Disney.

9:41pm on 5/4/26 by Buckeye86

I'd recommend not trying to compare UOR to WDW. WDW is like M&Ms - sweet, nostalgic. UOR is like skittles - yummy, tangy. Both candies, I love them both, but completely different vibes.

6:54am on 5/5/26 by TenMileMom

I agree with @TMM. I always tell people they're just different experiences.

9:23am on 5/5/26 by sneezy93

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@TMM great way to look at it! I love that!

10:22am on 5/5/26 by browndalmatian

I agree. They are very different. Great point of view. Each has its place.

10:33pm on 5/5/26 by Buckeye86

I would definitely say make sure she's seen the HTTYD cartoons! Berk in Epic was my favorite - it was so immersive we spent so much time there. It made me feel like it was real :)

1:11pm by ahlott86

Is there any advantage to doing IOA early entry to ride Hagrids Motorbike ride? I have been watching watch times each morning and wait times are still over an hour even at 8:00am.

8:55am by Flyer14

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Ok. Thank you. Also, what are taps? :) sorry i am a newbie!!

10:26am by Flyer14

Taps are where you tap your ticket.. the entrance.

12:24pm by mmmartin

Hi, we just did it just this morning! I would say an hour early to gates just to be safe, and be ready to power walk! Also, even better if you don't need to take the time to use a locker - you can take a fanny pack on with you but nothing else

1:08pm by ahlott86

We just finished our first full day of our trip, and I wanted to share the report! We got in early enough yesterday that we got to head over to Epic and do about 2 hours before the park closed. Highly recommend, it was amazing just to walk around and be

9:54pm on 5/5/26 by ahlott86

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Wow! You did amazing! Sounds fun.

6:29am by PrincipalTinker

Today we're spending the morning in the OG parks, then we got tickets for Disney's after hours event at Hollywood Studios tonight (sorry to bring the mouse into it :D!).

7:22am by ahlott86

That sounds like a fun day! I actually prefer US and IoA over Epic! :) Let us know how everything goes and have a great day!

8:28am by browndalmatian

Time for a part vent / part advice post. We are traveling in a group of 16. 10 adults and 6 kids. All but one family (2 adults, 2 kids) staying at deluxe with express pass. Rogue family is doing single rider instead.

3:44pm on 5/3/26 by jrayfarm

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We are a group that tends to stay together so I'm annoyed at the dynamic that will develop if we aren't all doing the same thing. (Ok, rant over). How efficient are the SR lines in general? Any tips for touring together with this split group need?

3:45pm on 5/3/26 by jrayfarm

Maybe you could add them onto your rooms even though not staying there? Although more than 2 adults in a room might have an extra fee, not sure.

10:30pm on 5/3/26 by kateschmidt

More than 2 adults are a fee for each extra adult. Google states it is $55 per adult at a premier.

5:52pm on 5/4/26 by PrincipalTinker

Rant away, friend. I'm not in the group with you but I think I understand what you're saying. SR lines are very efficient but you will definitely not be together on most rides. Is Rogue Family in the Deluxe too and just WANTS to do SR?...

6:03pm on 5/4/26 by browndalmatian

...or are they staying elsewhere? If so, I agree, see what it would cost to add them to the rooms with you as extras. $55 extra is WAYYYY less than buying EPs outright.

6:04pm on 5/4/26 by browndalmatian

If that doesn't work for whatever reason I'm not sure what tips I have. I don't do SR much but when I have it's been super fast, I think at times about the same as EP. But then again the other day I saw the SR line for Mummy and it was pretty long.

6:05pm on 5/4/26 by browndalmatian

So, sorry, wish I was more helpful! :) I do think adding them to the room (even if they don't stay there of course) is the best route here.

6:06pm on 5/4/26 by browndalmatian

SR depends on the ride. I think they actually ended it for VC. I'd be really annoyed if I had EP and the others did SR. One of u will be waiting for the other on every ride. Time will vary but that is rough. I'm sorry.

8:59pm on 5/4/26 by Buckeye86

If you have to do it that way, I would suggest you just kind of do your thing here and there and meet back up throughout the day. Otherwise I think it's going to be difficult. Or you're gonna end up in a single rider line with them and not really use your

9:00pm on 5/4/26 by Buckeye86

EP. Defeats the point having ep if you still have to stand there and wait for other people

9:01pm on 5/4/26 by Buckeye86

Would the rogue family consider even one night at a deluxe? You get two days ep for one night. Day you check in at 6 AM till the day you check out at close.

9:05pm on 5/4/26 by Buckeye86

They also need to understand that their children will not be with them on these rides and some of these rides break down fairly often, especially Hagrid's and pretty much all of epic. It can be pretty scary as a kid by yourself on a coaster that's trapped

9:06pm on 5/4/26 by Buckeye86

@buckeye good point about it breaking down and not being together. I still think that if it's feasible then "adding one person to each room" (just on paper, they can stay in the other hotel of course) makes the most sense here. Then they'd all be together

10:24am on 5/5/26 by browndalmatian

I'm with@buckeye- split up & meet back up.

10:27am on 5/5/26 by hodg

I knew this group would understand my planning frustration. Adding them to two extra rooms is an option we will consider (it brings up a "is it fair" dynamic considering everyone else is paying and they aren't...but could afford to).

2:09pm on 5/5/26 by jrayfarm

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I'm so sorry for you. Feel free to vent as far as I'm concerned.

10:31pm on 5/5/26 by Buckeye86

@jray I didn't even think about the "is it fair" dynamic. That's a good point... Shoot... now I'm not sure. On the other hand it keeps everyone together and... ugh, well, like @buckeye said and I agree 100% - feel free to vent here. :)

1:20am by browndalmatian

Adding them to the room could work but who will pay that extra charge? The lead person on the rooms will be charged, will they reimburse?

6:28am by PrincipalTinker

Morning, newbie and first time visitor to epic. We are coming January 7-9 2027 family of 6 , 2 adults 4 college kids. What do you guys think? Seeing that it is Disney marathon weekend.... Do able busy or get express pass busy? Thanks

4:00am on 5/5/26 by minni75

Did u check the crowd calendar? Usually there is a drop after the holidays but be sure to check there isn't some event scheduled.

10:34pm on 5/5/26 by Buckeye86

I leave tomorrow for my week long birthday trip to Universal, and I just wanted to thank you all for all the information you've given! I've so enjoyed reading all of the posts these last months in preparation :)!

12:48pm on 5/3/26 by ahlott86

Enjoy your trip!

4:30pm on 5/3/26 by PrincipalTinker

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!! IT IS GOING TO BE AN AMAZING TIME!!! So happy for you!

6:06pm on 5/4/26 by browndalmatian

Have a great time- let us know how it's going

10:28am on 5/5/26 by hodg

Hodg mega 3 week trip starts here. Got limping DH with his dodgy hip & mid 80s in-laws thru Heathrow & mco ok & just checked into SN. Do cool to see it all after watching YouTube's for so long! Going to pop to epic for a few hours & for dinner.

3:21pm on 4/23/26 by hodg

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Oh boy you are gonna have a blast. Do you stay at SN the entire trip?

3:54pm on 4/23/26 by clyde4242

Nope- 1 night here, check in Helios tomoro for 2 nights- too expensive to do 3! Then PBH 7 nights- 3 days are a conference for me, then wdw, then Wish.

4:11pm on 4/23/26 by hodg

You made it ! Vacation is here ! So fun ! Happy to travel along with you.

7:32pm on 4/23/26 by snelvis

Awesome, we just had a short trip and did similar, 3 nights Portofino and 2 nights Helios

9:36pm on 4/23/26 by clyde4242

Epic is so pretty & theming amazing. Nice to arrive late afternoon & take it slow to look around not RD rush. Did MU, SR - 1st time front row, 2nd in dark- just fantastic! HWG & met toothless. Ate at stakehaus- was v good.

10:04pm on 4/23/26 by hodg

Need to set up TPs to work out time frame for next 2 days without pushing dmil too hard- she fell in garden last week so is sore & slower than DH & his hip.

10:06pm on 4/23/26 by hodg

Have a great trip - excited to follow along and take notes for our first UOR trip in July! We also have an afternoon start at Epic which sounded so much more relaxing than RD! Wld be interested in your thoughts on best RD approach from Helios!

2:20am on 4/24/26 by NTEI

Moved over, dropped bags, hot coffee in Helios lobby all easily. Very straight forward down the path to the rope. Stunning hotel! We may not be best parameter for RD strategy as in-laws are not walking quick after dmil fall last week. DH can motor w stick

8:28am on 4/24/26 by hodg

IT'S TIME!!!!!! WHOO!!! FOLLOWING ALONG!!! Thank you for posting! This is going to be an amazing vacation! 7 days at PBH sounds like an absolute dream!! ENJOY! Smell the roses, friend!

9:46am on 4/24/26 by browndalmatian

Loving Epic but we have enough time that there's no pressure. Currently sat watching fyre drill with a cider in hand. Going to leave Mario till tomoro RD, then do ministry agsin sun am before we move to PBH

11:58am on 4/24/26 by hodg

Did BatM, CotW, MU, carousel, early links at spitfire grill, heading to dragon show now. Not sure if I'm up for getting wet on fyre drill after that

12:00pm on 4/24/26 by hodg

I'm so excited to follow along!

12:11pm on 4/24/26 by mmmartin

Loved dragon show. Now we're sticking it thru a longish line for fyre drill. Think plan will then be ice cream, see if rooms ready at Helios & pool

1:37pm on 4/24/26 by hodg

Hooray! I'm closely following along!

4:06pm on 4/24/26 by popupcamper

In laws got soaked on FD, DH & me did ok for once. Came out of park after, got our rooms at Helios- sadly opposite ends of same floor as yhere aren't many king rooms but all good. Now poolside with a froze until dinner at flora taverna later

5:22pm on 4/24/26 by hodg

Planning on watching fountain show from the room and tomoro we need to hit Mario at RD

5:23pm on 4/24/26 by hodg

Happily following along on this adventure!

5:34pm on 4/24/26 by brerbeer

Also interested! Traveling with your group sounds fun and I like that you are enjoying the experience!

6:59pm on 4/24/26 by whenuwish

Had a nice chill few hours at the oool, dinner was good. But they can't put the music into the Helios rooms for the "fountain" show yet. So we watched from lobby level- it's just lights thru the park & fountains back by carousel currently so a bit meh.

9:48pm on 4/24/26 by hodg

Ready for RD again- much busier at Helios gate today & MoM is down so sadly that's going to push up the Mario crowd. Oh well, guess we'll do a bit of a line today.

8:47am on 4/25/26 by hodg

Here we go

8:59am on 4/25/26 by hodg

Have a fantastic day! So fun to follow along.

9:01am on 4/25/26 by WendyMarie

Dfil survived minecarts- just. Mario carts is down so doing yoshi. Not what TP tells us to do but we're def on the minimise walking approach

9:45am on 4/25/26 by hodg

Starbucks break to let DH sit a bit. Mario back up so we're braving the line- we weren't quick enough spotting it reopened & getting over so likely 60. Hoping not more!

12:01pm on 4/25/26 by hodg

Hmm. This was an error. Over 90 minutes & we're not quite to 1st preshow. None of us are this into Mario!

1:08pm on 4/25/26 by hodg

So late lunch at gobelet noir- decent & nice & quiet. Cirque arcanu- we queue jumped as they saw DH's walking stick & put us into EP line & in with wc users- not sure why but not complaining! Now back for a swim, Bar Helios tonight.

4:07pm on 4/25/26 by hodg

Doesn't look like MoM is coming online today- we weren't planning to ride but so tough if this is your 1 day here.

4:09pm on 4/25/26 by hodg

Sounds like a great start to the trip!!

1:22am on 4/26/26 by NTEI

Last epic RD this am. Got main luggage into bell service last night, dropped small cases in now, all set to hopefully get MoM, couple of dragon rides, SR & off to PBH. Have 2 physical EP given by a passing stranger yday so that's cool.

8:41am on 4/26/26 by hodg

I hope your day is great! Can't wait to hear your next report.

9:11am on 4/26/26 by TenMileMom

RD worked well today- on & off MoM quickly, we just don't keep up to the front of the crowd but even so it's fine. Chilling a bit now so we're sat at Cafe Sirene streetside with breakfast. They have done Paris so well :-)

9:45am on 4/26/26 by hodg

Sat watching the offsite tidal wave come through- very amusing. Surprised the crowd reached Paris by 9.50am tho- seems unfair on onsite guests looking to enter another line before the 10am rush. Tho I guess other portals opened at 9.45.

9:59am on 4/26/26 by hodg

Left the in laws chilling in Paris while we rode SR again- love that ride! Then did HWG and used paper fastpass on dragon racers. Now sat at PBH pool but heading into studio for a couple of rides, dinner at LC & night show.

4:23pm on 4/26/26 by hodg

@hodg, how did you like Bar Helios?

10:47am on 4/27/26 by PrincipalTinker

It was really good. Only thing was the beef was sl over cooked- we'd asked for medium rare. Prob shldv sent it back but it was the last thing to arrive. Shame the fountains not working-we'd seen lights night before so didn't go out as not much to see atm.

5:16pm on 4/27/26 by hodg

Other issue i wldv had is the green balustrade around the terrace blocks lower 1/3 of the view of the fountain circle for my height. As no fountains it wasn't a problem tho.

5:17pm on 4/27/26 by hodg

But we did love it & had lovely evening :-)

5:17pm on 4/27/26 by hodg

"Have 2 physical EP given by a passing stranger yday so that's cool." Awesome! "Dis---UNI MAGIC?" LOL :) "Now sat at PBH pool" < again... sounds like a dream come true. :) SO HAPPY.

8:54am on 4/29/26 by browndalmatian

Sounds like such a great time! Glad you enjoyed EPIC. And the multiple trips on SR... you are brave!!! I think I may have mentioned here I am officially "done with SR for the rest of my life" LOLOL (3 times total for me, that's enough :D )

8:55am on 4/29/26 by browndalmatian

SR still less intense than VC to me as less inversions. And Hulk still the hardest to ride as bangs you around so much tho love the launch.

11:01pm on 4/29/26 by hodg

I agree hodg

9:08pm on 4/30/26 by Buckeye86

SR less inversions for sure but something about the double-launch and "a feeling my body has never felt before ever" just made it too much for me! Hulk definitely hardest to ride, I agree!!

2:36pm on 5/1/26 by browndalmatian

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Signing off from UOR portion of the mega trip as we check out in the morning. DH & in-laws chilled at VB until time to collect me from conference. Currently at Disney Springs & heading back to pack up soon

8:54pm on 5/2/26 by hodg

Sorry to anyone kicked out if IS & IOA early today- our conference has a takeover so my colleague & son are there. Her 1st ever theme park experience was HS yesterday. Waiting to see if they rode gringotts or not!

8:55pm on 5/2/26 by hodg

ARGH, I was there on 5/2 also and I saw the conference signs!!! I bet we walked by them! :)

6:07pm on 5/4/26 by browndalmatian

Can anyone help me with Epic Starbucks opening times please? Google maps is confusing me by showing me a Starbucks in the "Epic Administration Building" https://maps.app.goo.gl/sjgj4AqFfGaSLjru5?g_st=ac

1:21pm on 5/3/26 by aw44

In the Universal app it says it is open in Celestial Park and the hours are 8am-10pm. I think it may be open when they start to let guests in, or at least at EE, until close.

4:29pm on 5/3/26 by PrincipalTinker

I know we went to the Starbucks and it was a kiosk.

4:29pm on 5/3/26 by PrincipalTinker

There's a Starbucks in the buildings near entrance. As you enter keep to the right & it's on right after Xmas shop. Think all the seating was outside & couldn't give you hours I'm afraid.

5:09pm on 5/3/26 by hodg

Thanks!

5:27pm on 5/3/26 by aw44

Hi! We will have two EPA mornings at epic in June. The first morning we'll start with meeting toothless. Berk is DD11's highest priority. Which ride/portal would be best for second morning? Not sure if we are getting EP at all for Epic.

9:01am on 5/2/26 by WildernessPixie

Mario seems to get worse lines than Ministry- esp as there are 2 big rides there is minecart madness is open. Mom the line took us 45 min at 7.30 ish yday & was considerably shorter as we came out

11:15am on 5/2/26 by hodg

Thank you! We'll start in Nintendo world and start with mine cart if it's open.

4:33pm on 5/2/26 by WildernessPixie

Doing this as a separate thread re Dfil ability to cope w rides. He's ridden HPFJ in past but won't go in now. Sort of rides SpiderMan but not sure if he ever opens his eyes. Didn't like old 3d minions.

10:08pm on 4/24/26 by hodg

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Today he said he found MoM easier to ride without feeling sick than MU. Advice pre trip was that MU wld be easier- but he's found the physical movement of MU worse than the screens of MoM. He did ride MU a 2nd time today tho.

10:10pm on 4/24/26 by hodg

My DH won't ride FJ, but loved MU. I love FJ and didn't like MU. The movements were rougher. It didn't help that DH's legs kept hitting me on MU.

12:38am on 4/25/26 by kateschmidt

I found MU way rougher than FJ also and DH said the opposite!

10:04am on 4/25/26 by sneezy93

MU is my favorite Epic attraction. It did make me queasy my 1st ride and that is the only attraction that has ever done that to me. I found leaning my head back helped on other times on the tide.

10:47am on 4/25/26 by PrincipalTinker

We didn't find MOM very aggressive. In fact a bit disappointed.

11:49am on 4/25/26 by snelvis

I have found FJ a bit icky before- but only time it was bad was when our sound didn't work - really odd without the soundtrack-then they put us straight back on so back to back rides

12:40pm on 4/25/26 by hodg

I still haven't done MoM so this is interesting to me. Personally I won't even consider FJ anymore, nor Spiderman, definitely not Simpsons. But MU is ZERO problem for me. I am younger though probably, so maybe the physical is more intense than I realize?

8:59am on 4/29/26 by browndalmatian

Interesting to me that so many here found MU rougher! Goes to show that everyone is different!

9:00am on 4/29/26 by browndalmatian

@hodg does he do coasters too? Hagrid's? J/W... the good thing about UO, for me anyway, is I can go and spend DAYS without anything intense and still really be 100% happy. ET, Seuss, etc.

9:02am on 4/29/26 by browndalmatian

TBH I can go and not even do those (just walk around, eat, etc.) and still be happy. I hope he's still having a great time!!

9:02am on 4/29/26 by browndalmatian

He did hagrids having told us he'd watched it on YouTube. Luckily we were back 2 rows. He thought he wasn't going to make it off alive, sat for an hour feeling awful, had a cup of tea at 3BS & went back to hotel till 3pm.

10:59pm on 4/29/26 by hodg

So no to coasters! Tho he tells us he's going to ride BTMRR next week. And SpiderMan tomoro

10:59pm on 4/29/26 by hodg

He managed SpiderMan, says he only closed eyes on the spinning bits

12:26pm on 4/30/26 by hodg

What a legend!

4:59pm on 4/30/26 by aw44

You all set for your trip?!

5:44pm on 4/30/26 by hodg

Think so..... last bits of packing to do. Not done tons of Epic planning but your tips are helping me out so keep them coming!

6:25am on 5/1/26 by aw44

BTMRR? I'm racking my brain to figure this out to no avail

7:36am on 5/1/26 by clyde4242

@clyde- Disney's Big Thunder

7:50am on 5/1/26 by PrincipalTinker

"What a legend" is right!!! Well said @aw44! I'm glad he's doing better and was able to do Spiderman! Hagrid's is definitely a little more intense than many others!

10:05am on 5/1/26 by browndalmatian

@Principal, we very rarely do the mouse so that makes sense. Ty

10:08am on 5/1/26 by clyde4242

Sorry to bring Disney onto this side- lol! Our best thing w epic was having enough days that we could RD one area then not stress as lines got long for the key things. Would be easy to start there then head to the OG parks w express for the afternoons.

12:14pm on 5/1/26 by hodg

Main parks were pretty quiet

12:14pm on 5/1/26 by hodg

@h0tdOg I am so thrown off by your username change lol I thought it was someone new, then I scrolled up a little and put two and two together. :D LOL! PS I love the plan of RD Epic then EXP at US/IoA later.

2:43pm on 5/1/26 by browndalmatian

Sorry this time it's temporary as a colleague got the app for a few days at wdw & I don't want to be easily recognisable! Will go back next week.

4:08pm on 5/1/26 by hodg

How feasible is it to hope over to Epic early evening and spend 3-4 hours before closing.... are wait times reducing in the evenings? We have 2 weeks so plenty of time for multiple visits.

4:36pm on 5/1/26 by aw44

Will let you know in a minute! It was quiet when we arrived last Thurs. I think you plan a few epic EE RD mormings to do Mario & Mom, then head back to OG parks w express.

4:40pm on 5/1/26 by hodg

Lines def longer today than last Thurs so maybe weekend effect. Interesting to see if lower after dinner- hoping to do SR & maybe a last minute Ministry if quieter.

5:20pm on 5/1/26 by hodg

So MoM was posted 70 at 7.30, TP said 45, took is 43 min- but was significantly shorter as we were walking out. Same w SR- joined line around 8.30, if we'd waited till 8.45 it wldve been quicker.

11:28pm on 5/1/26 by hodg

Didn't check HTTYD or mariokart times late on

11:29pm on 5/1/26 by hodg

Thats the plan. Utilise the Jetlag to get there early. How were the buses from PFB?

8:38am on 5/2/26 by aw44

We walked straight into a bus. At 4pm it went to HRH too, not sure about early morning. Driving over in car to conference is a sumikar journey & takes about 20min cos of all the lights. Bus might go i4. I'd ask & get 1st bus

11:25am on 5/2/26 by hodg

From Helios we had def advantage to paris portal-you cld see the tidal wave approaching from main gate a way back. Opposote to Mario tho- main gate gets there quicker. But either way the early wait times are ok & MoM line is impressive to go thru.

11:27am on 5/2/26 by hodg

There's a 2nd tidal wave at 10am for offsite- we were sat outside at cafe sirene as TMs set up to direct that crowd around the land.

11:28am on 5/2/26 by hodg

@aw you're at PBH? When do you check in? Think it was as we fly home. Wondering if my photopass might still be active- think I got a 30 day, starting on 23 April

11:41am on 5/2/26 by hodg

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Thanks. Yep, at PFB. Check in on 10th May. I need to work out our Epic RD strategy..... or I need to read more threads to find it! Can anyone enlighten me or bump a thread?

2:33pm on 5/2/26 by aw44

As you've got multiple days I'd focus on one headliner each RD- we did ministry then into werewolf as portal opened. Then 2nd visit we did HTTYD as portal opened. But we did toothless late evening w v short wait.

3:44pm on 5/2/26 by hodg

I'll DM you on forum @aw - if I can find an envelope I'll leave you the pass to pick up on check in- shld be valid till 22nd.

3:45pm on 5/2/26 by hodg

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